Q:Hey I just wanted to say that I'm sorry about the referendum results and aftermath, and I hope you're staying safe. I'm American, but I've got a lot of Scottish heritage on my Dad's side, and I was hoping for Scottish independence.
Cheers! To be honest, I’m a lot more disappointed than I thought I’d be, it feels like we let a potentially generation-defining moment slip through our fingers. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the BBC in the process as well, there was a subtle bias on a lot of their reporting which may have made a large difference in the end.
As for staying safe, things seem ok if a bit subdued in Dundee, though I did hear some pro-independence chanting going down the street earlier. Most of my family is in Glasgow, though I hope they probably know better than to be in George Square right now.
Q:Sorry for being an idiot but I am kind of confused as to the whole situation in Scotland. I no that they just voted to remain part of the UK but what is going on now?? And who is doing all of the spray painting??? Once again sorry for being dumb.
Honestly, don’t worry, even people in the UK don’t know what’s happening because we have shocking media censorship over here.
Okay, so for the last two years, Alex Salmond (now former first minister of Scotland) and the SNP and all the grassroots Yes campaigns, have been campaigning for the Independence of Scotland from the Union of Britain. Now this isn’t the first time this has happened, we had a referendum in the 70s, and it was swinging heavily towards a Yes vote for independence, but Margaret Thatcher and her cronies got their claws in and put in (now) illegal measures to ensure that didn’t happen. We got basic devolution powers later, which allowed us to form our own government with EXTREMELY limited powers. The Yes campaign did a brilliant job, but because the media in the UK is entirely right-wing biased, the fear mongering got to people and Independence was rejected 45-55. And while it’s not what I wanted, that is a very promising result, meaning people are getting more informed.
This is were it gets weird.
So the No (or pro-union) campaign won the referendum, but because the vote was counted by area they “lost” the vote in certain areas. One of these areas was Glasgow in which a majority voted to leave the Union. Glasgow has a long history of violence, but it has done VERY well recently in remaining peaceful, and the Yes campaign has never once acted violently in their campaigning so it seemed like the result of this referendum should be reacted to peacefully.
In George Square (largely regarded as the unofficial HQ for the Yes campaign) which is right next door to the single busiest shopping street in Glasgow, a few Yes campaigners were out there today protesting/campaigning peacefully.
The NO campaign has been constantly associated with notoriously violent groups. The Orange Order (A protestant extremist organisation, at their first rally they through a glass bottle at a twelve year old girl and have shoved and punched Yes voters) and the Rangers Football Club fans (incredibly religious and violent group).
During the peaceful Yes Protest in George Square, hundreds of Unionists carrying Union Jacks and singing “God Save the Queen” and Rangers football club songs marched towards them, shoving and harassing passing innocent Yes voters. The majority of them are middle aged men, and have been seen spitting at women wearing Yes badges and calling them Scum. The police arrived to form a barrier, which antagonized the Unionist, and they charged at the Yes protesters.
Usually I’m not the biggest fan of the police, but right now they are doing a top-notch job of at least not allowing this to break into a massacre. I have heard reports of Yes voters being stabbed, beaten up and attacked with hammers. Yes voters are being told not to wear their badges and to take their posters down to avoid harrassment and vandalism.
Here’s some eyewitness stuff
This is what Britain is.
I’m going to post this publicly, please reblog. To anyone in Glasgow tonight, please stay safe.
And goodness, so many onlookers in England are telling us today how grateful they are that we’ve ~shaken up~ UK politics even if we didn’t get the outcome we wanted! There’s no way Westminster can go back to business as usual now that the Scots have made their voices heard! Really, our friends and supporters south of the border are delighted that we’ve laid the ground for real change, and that now we’ll have an opportunity to fight together for a better union.
HEY HEY GUESS WHAT
I am completely sick of being the left-moderate counterbalance to a right wing country! I am utterly fed up of reading post general election voting maps which read LAB/LIB/SNP across Scotland and still somehow result in our being governed by David Cameron! I am disgusted to be part of a country electing UKIP members to the European Parliament! That’s why I voted yes!!!
I KNOW a lot of people down south are relieved not to lose our voting block, and glad of the opportunity to see change in their own country, but holy shit was this referendum ever not about you. We’re not your northern province.
Not addressing any particular individuals here, most of my friends around the UK have been great about the whole thing and sensitive to the fact this is a Scottish issue but god almighty if I see one more vox pop article about english reactions to the No vote I will scream.
Wow, yes. This forever.
just so you know what is going on in my country right now:
- votes came in for independence 45% yes 55% no
- media very “”no”” centred and bias
- unionists are now attacking yes voters
- a seventeen year old girl has been stabbed
- they are burning our saltire giving nazi salutes
- our first minister resigns
please signal boost this
Looks like my computer’s monitor killed itself in disgust over the referendum.
I guess I am never getting this page finished, it is apparently never happening, never ever ever
mortalityplays replied to your post “I have to be honest, I’m fairly disappointed in the referendum result,…”
:( Leith seemed so certain too. And it WAS an incredibly close result in most places. I have to admit it’s bothering me that so many media sources are calling it “a decisive no”, when very nearly half the population voted yes. This isn’t going away.
I’m mostly curious now to see how much follow-up there is on the hastily formed devolution promises. And yeah, a LOT of people voted yes. I don’t know when we’ll get another referendum, but it surely will happen.
I have to be honest, I’m fairly disappointed in the referendum result, mainly because there was a very strong sense here that there really could be a yes vote overall.
In the end that turned out to be almost entirely limited to Dundee, however. The yes vote was very strong here, stronger than anywhere else in Scotland. Too bad.
It does afford me the luxury of judging everything from my high horse when it inevitably goes poorly later on, though. The next general election is going to be horrriiiibbblle
I kind of wish my phone charger wasn’t broken so I could have taken pictures on the way down to the polls. Our whole neighbourhood is just one long parade of YES posters, scottish flags, etc etc, and the polling place is the busiest I’ve ever seen. Swarms of people going in and out, plus three YES…
Dundee’s fair buzzing as well! Everyone I overheard was talking about the referendum, it’s all very striking. I don’t think I’ve ever been quite so pleased to go vote.